Day Three: links and observations, updated throughout the day.

12:21 PM Something to remember when people call for a blue-ribbon panel to investigate the state of the nation’s bridges: it’s been done. Nine years ago. The article says we’ll need billions to fix problem bridges; the question is where the money will come from. According to this article from the Mercury News, money for the Federal Highway Trust Fund – 45 percent of which is paid for by the Federal gas tax – will start falling short of planned spending in 2009. On one hand, that suggests there’s been sufficient funding for Federal projects thus far, but the article makes it apparent that states have invented creative ways to pay for projects because there’s not enough money.

So. Do we raise the Federal Gas Tax? You could squeeze more money out of the existing tax by eliminating the mass-transit subsidy, which will happen when people saddle pigs and fly to work. We could issue massive special appropriations to fix the most troublesome spots, but that doesn’t address the underfunding of the ongoing funding mechanism. (Indiana tried to lease its toll roads to “an Australian-Spanish consortium” for $3.85 billion, for example.) Money quote, literally:

“By the middle of the next decade, the highway trust fund will be providing $100 billion to $150 billion below real needs for building highways and bridges, predicted Rep. Peter DeFazio, chairman of the House Transportation and Infrastructure subcommittee on highways and transit.”

If the bridge fell for reasons unrelated to maintenance, that doesn’t mean we still can’t have a conversation about funding the projects that do need repair. “More money” isn’t always the answer. But sometimes it is. Again from the Mercury News:

“What is clear to (DeFazio) is that raising taxes of any kind for the highway trust fund is possible only if people are convinced that more spending will mean less congestion, safer roads and a cleaner environment."

"'The public will not support new taxes 'just to throw money in the maw of the federal government," DeFazio said."

Exactly. I don’t think it’s the tax-and-spending aspect that bothers many; it’s the Federal role, which means an elephantine response, pork, and an emphasis on panels and press conferences. But a Federal role is what we’ll get. I think this week we saw the birth of an entirely unexpected issue in the 08 Presidential race. Someone’s probably focus-testing the phrase “Marshall Plan for the Nation’s Road” this very moment.

11:47 AM Laura Bush has arrived. Between the First Lady heading over to the U and the Twins game tonight and the absence of a critical bridge, this might be a good day not to expect to whisk through the Minneapolis core with the usual speed.

10: 49 AM This story: wow. "As she swam for the river bank, Manning spotted her daughter's blanket floating on the surface of the water and grabbed it. UPDATE: link has gone dead, and the story's  no longer on the site. Odd.  Here's the story on another site. 

 

10:22 AM Headline over at KSTP:


“Hear the screams from inside the bus.”

You know what? I don’t want to hear the screams from inside the bus. I don’t want to hear someone’s kid shrieking in panic, begging her mom to come save her. Why would I?

This is the point in the story where we start to debate what’s news, and what’s just disaster-pr0n. I’m not making the comparison here, because they’re different events in every way. But nothing about 9/11 hit me as hard as the memorial wall on Grand Central Station, a collection of all the fliers and MISSING posters people had stuck up at the site after the Twin Towers were destroyed. They were mute, handmade pleas, and believe it or not, they didn’t need a voice over that said “for now the family sits and waits, wondering what the news will be” or whatever generic tag gets slapped at the end of the grieving-survivor boilerplate story.

I understand why they do those stories, but I have a hard time watchng them. I don’t want to wonder if the cameraman’s wondering how close he should go on the face to get the tears, because on one hand this person is experiencing great private grief, but on the other hand the light is hitting that teardrop just perfectly. Mostly I want them to leave the people alone. I don’t need to be told what they’re feeing. I can guess.

10:00 AM Today’s paper is just remarkable, and I’m not saying that because they pay me. I’m still chewing through all the stories. This line stood out:

“There was enough money in the agency’s budget to pay for construction work on the underside of the bridge.”

It’s from an interesting piece about the internal debate at MnDOT over the status of the bridge. Give it a read; we're going to hear much more about this.


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Disaster porn

I'm totally tired of disaster porn too. In every news clip or press conference about the bridge collapse, I keep hear about how this was a "horrible tragedy" and a "disaster" and all this. We now have five deaths. Five. One two three four five. And this is a "horrible tragedy". Yes, there are still a few missing, but "disaster"?
You know what makes it a "horrible tragedy" and a "disaster"? The fact that there were so many pictures and video so soon after, and that it LOOKED like a disaster. The bridge was under construction at the time, at least two lanes were closed to traffic. It could have been much worse, of course. And it's still not a good thing as is. But that this is being compared to Hurricane Katrina (or even Rita) is just beyond absurd.
Mourn the handful of deaths, rebuild the bridge, inspect the national infrastructure, and move on with your life.


I'm with you, James

You know what? I don’t want to hear the screams from inside the bus.

I've never liked that sort of thing either--not just disaster recordings, but also things like 911 crime recordings. It seems to terribly intrusive to me. It's one thing to listen to them in the course of an investigation, or a trial. But to make them available to the general public strikes me as aural voyerism.


"Five" That's the tagged-toe

"Five"

That's the tagged-toe official number. When this is sorted through, we know there will be 20+. That's pretty much a disaster.


WCCO Story

James, the link for the 10:49 update appears to be broken. I was searching for a new link, but couldn't locate the story on the WCCO site.

Thanks for your continuing updates for us non-Minnesotans!

Jon, ExurbanLeague.com


"things like 911 crime

"things like 911 crime recordings"

Amen to you both, James and bookworm. (Or the incessant video/dramatic freeze frames of poor souls plunging to their deaths ~ let their final torments and terrors be THEIRS, not fodder for the voyeur in US.)


Disaster Pornography

I've always hated "news" (and shows, for that matter) that fasten like vultures on emotions. It's the reason why I watched, for example, parts of "American Inventor" exactly once, and have no intention of watching it again. It's especially sick to smirkingly zoom in in tears, as you pointed out. The newspeople should just report the news, and keep a respectful distance from the bereaved or distraught. Viewers who have the ability to see other people with which to begin will know perfectly well what is happening with the distraught or bereaved, and the kind of people who just want bread and circuses ought to be coldly ignored.

Not that it's gonna happen. :(

(BTW, "feeing" should be "feeling" in your original post).


enough money, enough warning. not enough action.

that's the story. we've already seen teasers... the state senator who says this never got to them in session in budget requests. the DOT bridge guy at Media Landing basically saying we had yada, yada, yada... and we started an inspection that we stopped because it was time to smooth out the concrete on top.

it kinda all points in one direction, doesn't it.

as I told the wife this morning, there are a whole lot of what lawyers call "admissions against interest" going on live on all channels. they will all be rehashed for longer than it takes to build a new bridge in lawsuits.

because in between all the pre-meetings and action plan review sessions, nobody got outside to touch the bridge deck, call in on their cell when the channels were clear, and say, "hey, Stan, this sucker's gotta be blocked off, it's in worse shape than my granny."


Bridge repair conundrum

The decent Strib story that St. Lileks links to above has a couple of interesting issues. First, they quote extensively from some "industry representative" anonymously, as well as the spokesman for the Associated General Contractors. For those of you who don't know, AGC is the Minnesota construction industry lobby that ubiquitously shows up at every disaster or stadium-subsidy-promotion event to lobby for increases in whatever tax that could apply so that contracts can be awarded- to the AGC members- under their eternal jobs program. The WPA in Minnesota. Therefore, whatever they say should be taken with several semi-trailer truckloads, and two long trains of boxcars, all full of road salt. They have, shall we say, a conflict of interest.

But the description of the repair they considered, bolt-on plates, makes you relieved that they didn't do it. At least someone was thinking. If you drill a bolt hole, the stresses triple at the edge of the hole, making the thing a lot weaker than it was before, and potentially propagating fractures. That is, creating the problem you are trying to prevent.

They really had three choices, and this is what we need to remember during the inevitable opportunistic fingerpointing that has already, disgustingly, begun- they could have 1) shut down the bridge and started over (which would have made traffic as impossible as it now will be); 2) they could have built a concrete and pilings structure under the current bridge to hold it up (which would have messed up barge traffic, the reason they went with the span design in the first place); or 3) what they did, intensify inspections to catch cracks early. It was a perfectly reasonable decision under all of the tradeoff circumstances.

It was a bad bridge design 40 years ago. Now we do it right after learning a tragic lesson.

Remember, it is always about money. And, it is never about money- because there is never enough money for all of what anyone might want: the battle is over the *prioritization* of road construction projects.

When funds are allocated, all too often the decision criteria are more rleated to getting the new road past investment property owned by Congressman Schmeckenvesser, as opposed to preventive safety work. And that is the way it is in a real world where we can never get it all completely right.


Neither 'Blanket' link

Neither 'Blanket' link worked for me. Copy/pasting "As she swam for the river bank, Manning spotted her daughter's blanket floating on the surface of the water and grabbed it." (in quotes) in my browser's search field brought the story links up.

Very touching story. I hope the girl is okay, too. That one wins the 'bad day to end all bad days' sweepstakes this year.


Blanket story

Another link for the blanket story.


More toll roads are an option

First, my prayers and sympathy to all those affected by this tragedy.

As to funding highway and bridge repairs, I'm a fan of toll roads. Those who use the roads pay at least part of the cost of maintaining them in a more direct manner than something like a gas tax.


Disaster Porn Industry

Somewhere, late in the evening as this event unfolded, there was a composer working on a theme for the networks to use, to lead us poor, emotionally uninformed sheep from a commercial break to the continued drama du jour.
I think it started with the OK Simpson trial. My head still hears CNN's dramatic theme.
Then there was a theme for Everything Princess Di, and everything else that's supposed to 'grip us' and 'unite us' as people--Hurricane Katrina had a themesong, and it came from someone somewhere, deemed necessary, I guess, to lead us sheep into all that coverage/blather/dramatization.
That's all it is: a dramatization, in every sense of the word, of actual events. Making everything not just a story, but a movie.


Politics already?

Jesus, does EVERYTHING in this world revolve around the damn presidential race? Can't we take just a few minutes to mourn those lost and worry about the people still looking for bodies? Apparently not. I guess in our world, respect plays second fiddle to politics - it certainly isn't part of it any more. I'm disappointed in you, Lileks.


Blanket Story link

That's odd. I can't find it either, and now the link is password protected. Hmmmm.

The story also appears on a Milwaukee TV site, here.


Marshall Plan

Someone’s probably focus-testing the phrase “Marshall Plan for the Nation’s Road” this very moment.

Our illustrious Senate Majority Leader is a step ahead of you, JL. He's even blaming President Bush for good measure.

Nice column by Nick Coleman yesterday - I never would have realized that Gov. Pawlenty was to blame for the collapse if I hadn't read it.


Wouldn't you think . . .

that somebody might have the combination of intellect and guts to suggest that maybe - just maybe - instead of hiking taxes, redirecting existing expenditures might be a suitable response?

Were one to take a gander at http://budget.state.mn.us , one would find, for instance, tens of millions budgeted for the zoo, tens of millions for local amateur sports facilities (once called parks), et cetera. Why should Brainerd, Duluth and the like pay for the Twin Cities' zoo? For that matter, why shouldn't Moorhead pay for its own parks? Were that money freed up, the state would have considerably more to spend on bridge inspection and repair.

Alas, it is no more than a dream. Politics is the art of the possible and it's always more possible to convince people to spend than to forego immediate gratification, regardless of the itch.


Rep. Pete DeFazio

Peter DeFazio should know a thing or two about throwing money down the Federal maw... he's both a Democrat and from Oregon, where the Democrats have never seen a problem that couldn't be solved by raising taxes (which routinely get voted down by the voters). The fact that he admits people aren't going to put up with it is rather unique.

Perhaps we could redirect the farm subsidies into infrastructure repair and construction instead. Oh - and give up on light rail for, oh, forever. People want their cars....


... and here's your fix, if it was still standing...

Your Friendly Cross-Town Rivals (tm) have put up links to the MNDOT consultants report they were shopping around on the QT to contractors. 299 pages in three PDFs off the MNDOT site. limited privileges, don't try using wsFTP to browse for goodies, it won't work. by the same standards, if you want it, save now, most sites don't leave stuff up that long when they release links like this.

read 'em and weep. hint, 2/3 of the report is methods and procedures, formulas, and stuff. IANAEngineer, but much of it looks like back-check stuff for the next report's writers and getting current standards applied to this bridge. if you read it as "fah, fah, fah," that shouldn't matter among friends...

http://www.dot.state.mn.us/hottopics/35w/fatigue-evaluation-redundancy-analysis_1of3.pdf

is the first section, and if you change the link to 2of3 and 3of3 in the right place, you get the rest.

takes 20 minutes to skim it if you know how to read for conclusions and summaries.

fixes: two. you can put a bunch of steel plates and bolts over the joints on the most critical trusses, something like 36 of them, if your workmanship is impeccable and you don't make things worse drilling cobby holes and hammering in your bolts.

or you can strip the deck and put on a modern deck with through members to add support, 7 inches of lightweight concrete, and two inches of wear layer concrete over that to redo every few years.

this list was being shopped, according to a day's worth of stories across the local media, across the AGC contractors in the state to see what they should bid out, possibly for 2008. either should have added some redundancy for the bridge, and you could probably keep two lanes open on each side and run concrete trucks down the middle, one wheel on each side of the two spans, once the median blocks were taken off.

if the report was commissioned a few years earlier, we'd have the bridge up yet, is the way I read this.

so if all sort, manner, and kind of government critters would have made the right case for road money, we'd not be in the present fix.

for once, I'm going to bite my lip on various weevils of the political family. I'm just going to say, time to pile bucks on the table, boys, and let's resurrect a whole bunch of OTHER dusty and mildewing reports in the storage locker MNDOT rents, and get some stuff fixed before we have more of these collapses.

I've got a clue they can respond quickly after reading this report and get the contractors working for us.


No way, Mr. L

You imply that "enough" taxes are paid such that we should be able to fund what we need by simply defunding the silly stuff. But "need" is subjective, and I'm guessing we could be taxing at the 95% level for all income-earners and we'd still be hearing people hysterically decrying our selfishness and hate for not sending in that last 5% when we know that, somewhere, someone's child didn't get everything they wanted for their birthday.

No, "need for public money" will always expand to overwhelm tax receipts, probably because the true "need" that's being addressed is the "need" for some people to gain control of OPM in the face of their inability to gain their own money to control. They don't really want us to fund those special Homes for Orphan Feral Pigs - what they want is for that money to be controlled by them, and more specifically not by that rich jerk who has it now.


Not enough money?

So it goes like this:
- The bridges are crumbling and one has fallen.
- We would have done better if we had enough money.
- Let's raise taxes for a safer world.

This reminds me of the people who earn $200K/year but still manage to go bankrupt. "If only I had a little more money, it wouldn't have come to this. You just don't know how expensive it is to live, and a few bad investments make everything worse."

Does anyone ask where all the money went? Were all other priorities more important than maintaing the infrastructure?

Can you hear them in the meetings:
"Fix the bridge? Nah, its been there for 40 years. Concrete and steel you know. It would be pretty expensive, too, and bridges don't vote. Let's put that money into fixing up the park across from my house."

Now, I admit, I don't know where the money went. The government is not clear about this. Isn't that the main point?

I have vague memories about something like this in New Orleans. Money for rebulding levees was invested in gambling casinos, which were washed away when the levees broke. Estimated cost to repair the levees was $8 billion. Cost of the flooding is $100 billion and counting. Just the money, forgetting the people.


DeFazio

Foamer - you are exactly correct. I was shocked to hear something somewhat intelligent (quoted by James above) coming from DeFazio's mouth. I am a native Oregonian (the state where even Republican senators are lefties) and from Eugene (the northwest's Berkeley). I find his quote above shockingly intelligent - and not on par with his usual 'boot-in-the-public-groin' sentiments.

Perhaps the fact that the voters of Oregon have spiked his and Kulongoski's idiotic tax hikes back into their faces enough times that they are starting to grow tired of nose job options.

I am not getting my hopes up though. Scripture comes to mind: "Just as a dog will return to his vomit..."


Indiana did in fact lease

Indiana did in fact lease I80,which is a toll road in Indiana, to a group for 99 years. Talk about mortgaging the future.
Daley and the city of Chicago was the first to lease the skyway, which is I90.

There exists a federal law that mandates federal work be paid at prevailing wage,which means union wages for federal roads,thus contributing to very expensive road projects.
States are allowed to use road funds for non road projects, such as bike trails. It is utter nonsense that there is a shortage of funds. That is the mantra for higher taxes.


Triple

The stresses triple at the edge of a drilled hole?

Is that for little holes or just big holes?


Dr. Bear is an idiot.

People started blaming Bush for this before the road hit the water and you blame Lileks for politicizing it? What a maroon.


Why I Am Not In News

I remember, around about the time I was working for a newsradio station in a small Inland Northwest city, that I went to the Bay Area for a family gathering. On the news there was a reporter outside of a house, stating that the preadolescent son of the household had been missing for several days, a body had been found that might be his, and sherriff's deputies had just gone into the house. Then the mother came out of the house, wailing...

And the cameraman zoomed in.

That's when I decided that even if I had the opportunity, I wouldn't get into TV news. And I started feeling a lot better about doing news updates on salmon-vs-farmers stories.

Incidentally, Eugene? Do they still have an anarchist on the City Council?


I am a civil engineer by

I am a civil engineer by trade although my specialization is in geotech and as a result deal more with bridge foundation design instead of structural. Still my schooling had enough depth in structures and material science, such that I would trust what FOH has to say in his comment above.

Looking at the conclusions of the report linked above, I think that given the information available at the time, MnDOT made the right choice on how to proceed. While public safety always is first priority for an engineer (it's the first rule of engineering ethics), if an engineering analysis gives multiple alternatives which are all considered to meet the requirements of public safety, the cheaper one will always be chosen. It's called being good stewards of public funds.

Without being on the inside of the discussions and decisions that took place on this project, I see nothing to indicate that the bridge was not worked on because of money. If MnDOT was aware that failure of the bridge was imminent, they would have closed it down and fixed it. Money would have been taken from another lower priority project if necessary.

One last thing about the news article, generally speaking, engineers are not lawyers. We don't get into heated debates about anything, our minds just don't work like that. A cost/benefit analysis is done, and the best alternative is chosen, period. There is nothing to get emotional about, you try to do the best analysis possible, given the information on hand, and then do what the math tells you to do. The only problem is that rarely is there ever enough information on hand to be 100% sure of anything. That's were engineering judgment comes in, which can only come from experiencing failure. Luckily most failure experiences only cost money, not lives.


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